BG5150 Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 Payroll-based SHM is not deposited by the end of the quarter after the deferrals were taken. What are the consequences? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
RatherBeGolfing Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 The plan admin is tarred and feathered... ...Unless you make the participants whole by allocating lost earnings. EPCRS principles of correction would apply. You do not lose SH status if you correct. Bri 1
C. B. Zeller Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 Depends on what the document says. If the document says that contributions will be deposited quarterly then you have an operational failure and need to self correct under EPCRS. If it says the match will be deposited "at a time to be determined by the plan administrator" or other such language then you would true it up at the end of the year. Of course the match would have to be computed based on the whole year in this case. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Bri Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 Yeah, but if it's payroll-copmuted match, you have to do it quarterly - should be in the doc to that extent. Luke Bailey 1
Luke Bailey Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bri said: Yeah, but if it's payroll-copmuted match, you have to do it quarterly - should be in the doc to that extent. The cite for anyone who wants it is 1.401(k)-3(c)(5)(ii). You have until end of following quarter. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
SoCalActuary Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Extending the question, what if the SHM is not payroll-based, and still deposited after due date of 5500 with extension?
BG5150 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Posted June 19, 2019 I think that's a deduction and maybe a 415 issue. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
RatherBeGolfing Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 8 hours ago, SoCalActuary said: Extending the question, what if the SHM is not payroll-based, and still deposited after due date of 5500 with extension? 8 hours ago, BG5150 said: I think that's a deduction and maybe a 415 issue. Correct. We have had a few good threads on it before. The cliffs notes version (2018 calendar year plan): After 9/15 but no later than 10/15 - 2018 for 415 purposes but a 2019 deduction After 10/15 but no later than 12/31 - 2019 for both 415 and deduction After 12/31 - EPCRS puts you back in 2018 for 415 purposes but 2010 deduction (Rev Proc 2019-19 Section 6.02(4)(b), Treas. Reg. 1.415(c)-1(b)(6)(ii)(A))
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