gdlfa Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 I have a question on how to calculate the 25% deduction limit. The IRS says: However, an employer’s deduction for contributions to a defined contribution plan (profit-sharing plan or money purchase pension plan) cannot be more than 25% of the compensation paid (or accrued) during the year to eligible employees participating in the plan (see Employer Deduction in Pub 560, Retirement Plans for Small Business (SEP, SIMPLE, and Qualified Plans). My question is - who are considered eligible employees participating in the plan? For profit sharing purposes, does this include employees who were participating during the plan year but terminated before the last day of the plan year, specifically if the plan document states that profit sharing won't be paid to employees not employed on the last day of the year? Thanks!
Mike Preston Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 I've always used comp only for those who benefit under 410b.
C. B. Zeller Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 Rev. Rul. 65-295 Where a profit-sharing plan provides that a terminating employee does not share in the employer contributions for the taxable year in which such termination occurs, the compensation paid such terminating employee in such taxable year may not be included in the total compensation paid or accrued during the taxable year for the purpose of determining the limitation on deductions provided in section 404(a)(3)(A) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954. Luke Bailey 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
BG5150 Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 What if someone is eligible for 401(k) but does not qualify for PS? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Tom Poje Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 years ago at one ASPPA conference the following was voiced in the old days (when the 25% deduction included deferrals, then you would include comp of someone who could defer even if they didn't) now, since the 25% deduction does not include deferrals, then you would only include comp if the person actually received ps or match (if I recall correctly)
C. B. Zeller Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 In this PLR (no reliance, of course) the IRS found that only those participants who actually received allocations other than elective deferrals would have their compensation taken into account for determining the deduction limit. Luke Bailey 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
NJ Mike Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, C. B. Zeller said: In this PLR (no reliance, of course) the IRS found that only those participants who actually received allocations other than elective deferrals would have their compensation taken into account for determining the deduction limit. Here is a brief summary from a session at the 2016 EA Meeting. Mike Session 505 2016 EA.pdf Dave Baker and Luke Bailey 2
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