Peter Gulia Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 With those recordkeepers and third-party administrators that offer a § 3(16) service for the service provider to decide claims for a distribution, including a hardship distribution: (1) Does an employer/administrator want a power to override the service provider’s decision? (2) Does a § 3(16) service provider want the employer/administrator to have such a power (even if the employer/administrator doesn’t want the power)? BenefitsLink mavens, what’s your experience about what’s happening? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
ratherbereading Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Our 3(16) platform specifies we approve all distributions, including hardships. None of our employers want to override our decisions; that's why they utilize it. . 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
Peter Gulia Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 ratherbereading, thank you. Any different views? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
ratherbereading Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Peter Gulia said: ratherbereading, thank you. Any different views? Welcome! 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
Bill Presson Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 There may be something in the agreement allowing it, but if that's the case, i'm not sure they're really offloading any liability. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Peter Gulia Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 Bill Presson, thank you for the further thinking. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Pam Shoup Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1. What's the point of hiring a 3(16) if you are just going to override them? 2. If I am the 3(16) and the PA has overriden me, I have a co-fiduciary liability that probably puts me in a bind, which then opens a whole other can of worms . . . Pamela L. Shoup CEBS, RPA, QKA
Peter Gulia Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 Pam Shoup, thank you for your observation. There are some employer/administrators that believe (perhaps unwisely) there can be value in having the 3(16) provider handle claims, while preserving an opportunity to override a decision. Thinking about that situation and a 3(16) provider’s § 405(a)(3) co-fiduciary responsibility about an override is among the reasons I asked my questions. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
acm_acm Posted September 25, 2020 Posted September 25, 2020 19 hours ago, Peter Gulia said: Pam Shoup, thank you for your observation. There are some employer/administrators that believe (perhaps unwisely) there can be value in having the 3(16) provider handle claims, while preserving an opportunity to override a decision. Thinking about that situation and a 3(16) provider’s § 405(a)(3) co-fiduciary responsibility about an override is among the reasons I asked my questions. It would seem that having the ability to override a decision would mean the employer/admin would be responsible for *all* decisions, not just the ones they override, because they could have overridden a decision and didn't implies they are agreeing with the decision. That would certainly defeat the purpose of hiring a 3(16) provider. Pam Shoup and Bird 2
Ilene Ferenczy Posted September 25, 2020 Posted September 25, 2020 We customarily provide in the division of responsibilities that the Plan Administrator oversees any benefit claim appeals -- so the TPA determines the initial claim, but the client determines the appeals. Because a claims denial and appeals denial may lead to litigation, we thought it was more prudent to have the employer in charge of making that decision. Also, I think that there is something "good faith"-related about having a different entity reviewing an appeal than the entity that denied the claim in the first place. Keep in mind that the split of responsibility is either in the plan or in the delegation contract. It is important that this kind of issue - who decides what? - is outlined with specificity so that no one is responsible legally for something that they thought they had no say over.
Peter Gulia Posted September 25, 2020 Author Posted September 25, 2020 Ilene, thank you for contributing your good idea. It puts some partial independence on the review or appeal stage. And it might help show the responsible plan fiduciary does something to monitor the service provider’s work. One can use a review of a denied claim to look into the service provider’s methods for evaluating claims of that kind. Beyond ERISA-governed plans, this is an approach I use with governmental § 457(b) plans. We provide the review beyond the recordkeeper to assure due process under Federal and State constitutions. And the reviews give us another window into the recordkeeper’s work methods. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
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