austin3515 Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 I'm just discovering the "signature" feature in my pdf software (I use Kofax f/k/a Nuance). I am curious to know if we can tell clients it is ok to sign plan documents using this feature. From my brief readings what I am finding is that it is actually much more secure than a regular ink signature because the signature itself is able to tied back directly to the signers own credentials (some crazy encryption-like key). I'm curious to know if anyone has ever researched this or has found an article about its use in legal documents, whether the IRS will accept it, etc. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
Bird Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 Yes, apparently has been ok for some time; we just started a few months ago. Ed Snyder
Bill Presson Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 We use it. I sign IRS forms all the time and have never had an issue. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
RatherBeGolfing Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bill Presson said: We use it. I sign IRS forms all the time and have never had an issue. I thought the IRS only had a very short list of forms that were approved for electronic signature... To be clear, Im talking about a digital signature like DocuSign, not an image of your actual signature that is digitally added to the form.
Bill Presson Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, RatherBeGolfing said: I thought the IRS only had a very short list of forms that were approved for electronic signature... To be clear, Im talking about a digital signature like DocuSign, not an image of your actual signature that is digitally added to the form. I add it like a wet signature, not docusign. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
austin3515 Posted March 3, 2021 Author Posted March 3, 2021 yeah to be clear it is the "Signature" feature within the software. I suppose Docusign is more robust becauyse the signature is maintained by a 3rd party but this system is more robust than an ink signature because you can 100% verify that a particular user signed the document (it's someone how tied to my windows log in). I don;t profess to fully understand it which is why I was also hoping some law firm wrote an article about this... Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
RatherBeGolfing Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 I have used the signature feature in Acrobat for years, never had an issue. DocuSign type digital signatures are common for contracts, but are only accepted on a short list of IRS forms. Ft Williams uses a DocuSign type e-signature in their Distribution Tracking Software. Some RK forms specifically say Acrobat digital signature not accepted. You can use the digital image of your signature to sign it, but not the DocuSign type signature. JH will accept a form signed with DocuSign, but only after confirming with the person who signed it
C. B. Zeller Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 If we're talking about participant elections, and not just plan documents, don't forget about 1.401(a)-21. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
CarolC Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 We are (finally!) going to e-signatures using DocuSign. Ftwilliam has a white paper citing specific Rev Procs that all e-signature for prototype and volume submitter. I'm attempting an attachment...E-signatureWhitePaper.pdf austin3515, Luke Bailey and Bill Presson 3
Luke Bailey Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, CarolC said: We are (finally!) going to e-signatures using DocuSign. Ftwilliam has a white paper citing specific Rev Procs that all e-signature for prototype and volume submitter. I'm attempting an attachment...E-signatureWhitePaper.pdf Very helpful whitepaper, CarolC. Thankyou. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
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