Dougsbpc Posted September 9, 2021 Posted September 9, 2021 Suppose you have a former 25% partner in a firm that has sponsored a 401(k) plan for many years. The partner has been winding down and will have less than a 5% capital and profits interest in the firm before his required beginning date in 2022. He eventually just plans on being an employee indefinitely with great work hour flexibility. Since his interest went below 5% in the year before the year he would normally begin taking RMDs (and will stay below 5%), I would think he would qualify for the RMD exception. Anyone agree or disagree?
ESOP Guy Posted September 9, 2021 Posted September 9, 2021 To be clear are you saying this person will not be 72 and a 5% owner at the same time? Or you saying this person will simply not be a 5% owner by the 4/1 that is the first required payment date? I just like to be very clear on these questions as I think it is easy to get the facts confused. RMDs are very fact driven determinations.
C. B. Zeller Posted September 9, 2021 Posted September 9, 2021 What is the individual's date of birth? On what date did they cease to be a 5% owner? Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Dougsbpc Posted September 9, 2021 Author Posted September 9, 2021 As of now (in the 2021 year) he is a 4.5% owner and will be as of 12/31/2021. His birthday is 3/16/1950. So he will be age 72 on 3/16/2022 (in the 2022 calendar year). So before he turns age 72 in 2022 he is a less than 5% owner (on 12/31/2021).
Peter Gulia Posted September 9, 2021 Posted September 9, 2021 Consider the statute, Internal Revenue Code of 1986 § 401(a)(9)(C)(ii)(I): Subclause (II) of clause (i) [“the calendar year in which the employee retires”] shall not apply—except as provided in section 409(d), in the case of an employee who is a 5-percent owner (as defined in section 416) with respect to the plan year ending in the calendar year in which the employee attains age 72[.] And the rule, 26 C.F.R. § 1.401(a)(9)-2/Q&A-2: (c) For purposes of section 401(a)(9), a 5-percent owner is an employee [or deemed employee] who is a 5-percent owner (as defined in section 416) with respect to the plan year ending in the calendar year in which the employee attains age 70½ [72]. Even if applying these law sources yields a clear answer, a plan’s administrator might read the plan’s governing documents to consider whether the plan provides an involuntary distribution earlier than is needed for the plan to tax-qualify. Further, a plan’s administrator might evaluate whether a “winding down” partner who perhaps has “flexibility” about how little he works might be retired within the meaning of § 401(a)(9)(C)(i)(II). In doing so, one might read the partnership agreement to consider the obligations it provides or omits. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
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