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    Wrong PN on 5500-EZ for years

    BG5150
    By BG5150,

    Employer had IRS Plan Number 003 terminated in 2003 and started PN 004 in 2004.

    I don't know what year they started filing the 5500-EZ, but I'm guessing it was a bunch of years ago.  I see letters in my files going back to 2018, but I only have the EZs going back to 2015.

    The ones I have are all PN 001, so I'm assuming all the others are, too.

    What's the fix?  Can I just fill out question 4 and change the PN there?  I'd rather not amend 15 years worth of forms.


    Spin off from ASG

    Gilmore
    By Gilmore,

    A doctor has their own S-Corp that was part of an affiliated service group through 12/20/2021.  The ASG sponsored a 401(k) safe harbor match plan.

    The doctor did not participate in the plan in 2021 and will not be receiving any employer contributions.

    Question...

    Is the doctor able to set up a SEP plan for their S-Corp for the portion of the year that they are no longer part of the ASG, and fund based on compensation earned for the short period of time they are not part of the ASG?

    Thanks.


    401(k) Safe Harbor and 410(b)(6)(C) Transition Rule in Transactions

    Benefits Vet
    By Benefits Vet,

    Client is buying a company in a stock deal. Buyer has a safe harbor plan (matching) plus a non-safe harbor profit sharing contribution. Seller has a 401(k) provides a match but is not safe harbor. Buyer wants to use 410(b)(6)(C) (which the plans meet the requirements of) to delay merging the plans at close. Buyer wants to just run both plans for some time within the transition period. 

    QUESTION: During the 410(b)(6)(C) transition period, can you maintain the safe harbor status of Buyer's plan, as long as you separately test the Seller's plan? 


    Covid loan re-finance

    Pam Shoup
    By Pam Shoup,

    We have a participant who took a Covid loan in 2020.  The plan permits two loans only for the purpose of re-financing.  He does not have enough available with the (reduced) $50,000 limitation to re-finance and extend out for another five years.  He could re-finance and have it  paid off by the original due date.  So this is my question, since this was a Covid loan, the original due date was essentially 6 years (5+1).   With a refinance of a Covid loan, are we to use the original due date of 5 years out or the extended Covid due date? 


    Union Employees with Non-Union Wages

    Zoey
    By Zoey,

    Maybe this is a simple question, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it and I've never had it asked before.

    I have a potentially new client who wants a 401(k) plan. They have union employees covered by a collective bargaining agreement. So the premise would be to exclude union employees from the plan, right? Except they also pay these union employees non-union income to cover their travel expenses.  AND, one of the two owners works for the union as well.

    Part of me says, well that part of the income isn't covered under the collective bargaining agreement (or able to be deferred, matched, etc), so that income would automatically be included, and they would be eligible for the non-union plan for the income not covered in the agreement. But the (prototype) language that any employee covered by a collective bargaining agreement is excluded has me wondering.  

    Your thoughts?  (Thanks so much in advance!)


    Lump sum when normal form isn't life and there's a table of....

    Bri
    By Bri,

    Quick question -

    Plan has its own table to convert the normal form of "10 years certain + life" to other forms, including single life annuity.

    For 417 purposes, do I do the lump sum first by:

    a) Convert 10cc to life via the plan factors, and then convert the life amount to lump at 417 rates, or

    b) Convert 10cc to lump with 417e factors, but convert 10cc to life separately with plan factors (even though the lump sum value of that life annuity would be different?)

    Thanks in advance (and presume the plan's AE factors aren't going to override 417 minimums)

    --Bri


    Plan subject to J&S did not sign forms with J&S options, what is fix?

    Cobras59
    By Cobras59,

    Plan subject to J&S did not sign forms with J&S options, what is fix?


    Happy Holidays to all!

    Belgarath
    By Belgarath,

    Be safe!


    Non owner RMD... must one be taken??

    Basically
    By Basically,

    If a participant in a plan is not an owner, do they have to take an RMD?  Wasn't that the way it was in the beginning?  Only owners had to take an RMD, non-owners didn't have to take an  RMD from a qualified plan?  

    Thanks


    Is an investment advisor who gets no fee an ERISA plan’s fiduciary?

    Peter Gulia
    By Peter Gulia,

    I hope BenefitsLink neighbors will help me provide without-fee legal advice to someone who would, without fee, provide her investment advice to a charitable organization’s ERISA-governed retirement plan.

    The advisor would render advice about (but not decide) investment alternatives for an individual-account plan that provides participant-directed investment.  The advisor would have no authority, discretionary or even non-discretionary, to implement her advice.

    The advisor is not registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission or any State’s regulator because she is not, “for compensation, engage[d] in the business of advising others[.]”  Investment Advisers Act of 1940 § 202(a)(11), 15 U.S.C. § 80b–2(a)(11) (emphasis added).

    Under ERISA § 3(21)(A)(ii), “a person is a fiduciary with respect to a plan to the extent . . . (ii) he renders investment advice for a fee or other compensation, direct or indirect, with respect to any moneys or other property of such plan[.]”

    The Labor department’s and courts’ interpretations have set up the idea that a commission or other compensation paid or provided, however indirectly, by a third person can be compensation that invokes ERISA § 3(21)(A)(ii).

    But this advisor will get no fee, and cannot get a commission or other payment from a third person.  Also, this advisor will get no fee or other compensation for any service beyond investment advice.

    How comfortable should I be in advising that the advisor is not the retirement plan’s fiduciary?  Is there any gap or flaw in reasoning that, absent a fee, the advisor is not the plan’s fiduciary?

    I recognize that whichever fiduciary decides the retirement plan’s menu of investment alternatives must evaluate, according to ERISA § 404(a)’s duties, whether it is prudent to consider the advisor’s advice.

    I’ll appreciate any ideas from BenefitsLink neighbors.


    EFTPS Payment

    metsfan026
    By metsfan026,

    Good morning everyone!  I have a client that applied to they EFTPS, but never received their PIN in the mail.  I know generally you can only do a check if under $2,500, but under these circumstances would it be an issue to have the check sent?

    Thanks in advance!


    1.401(a)(26)-7(c)

    Draper55
    By Draper55,

    The code section in the topic is with regard to a corrective amendment for 401(a)(26). It states that the retroactive amendment must be under the same conditions as 1.401(a)(4)-11(g)(3) thru (g)(5). I am puzzled what if any meaning 1.401(a)(4)-11(g)(3)(v)(A) should be given. It is titled "Corrective amendment for coverage or amounts testing". Since the testing at hand is for minimum participation, can this (v)(A) paragraph be ignored? I would think so but I am wondering if anyone else has given this further thought. Generally, a group of ees that satisfies 401(a)(26) may well not also satisfy 410(b) or 401(a)(4). Alternatively, what sense would it make for the additional accruals themselves to satisfy 401(a)(26)? That would seem to be an overkill.


    Integrated Formula

    Mr Bagwell
    By Mr Bagwell,

    Got a new plan to us.

    The plan document is written with 0% integration level on a 2 tier non-elective.

    Why would some do this?  What is the logic?  I don't get it.


    individual non-ERISA TSA... considered "paid out" for plan termination?

    AlbanyConsultant
    By AlbanyConsultant,

    Years ago, three participants in this non-ERISA 403b plan opened up accounts at Equitable.  They all terminated in the early 2000's.  After that, the plan started making employer contributions and took more control of the plan (moving all employees to one RK), moving the plan firmly into ERISA 403b territory, which is when we got involved.  So only these accounts were still 'outside', and we've not been reporting them on the 5500 under the 2009 rules.

    Now the NFP is terminating the plan.  We asked Equitable for options, and they told the plan sponsor that they have no authority over those accounts because they are individual tax-sheltered annuities.  The plan sponsor spoke to the participants who have agreed in theory to take the money from the plan... but haven't.

    Does the 2020 IRS guidance apply here?  Can they just consider these accounts as not part of the plan any more and say the plan is done?

    Thanks.


    can 1099 income contribution be added to S-corp plan?

    mkaufman
    By mkaufman,

    Hello,

    Some background:

    I had a sole-prop some time back and had a self-employed 401k plan with Fidelity with EIN of sole-prop

    Then I created a s-corp and just used the same plan - changed EIN to S-corp, Name to a generic name - MKK-Plan. 

    All good, no issues. I was thinking of shutting down the sole-prop but never did. 

     

    Now, one of my clients (for whom I do most of my work) has changed their policy and want me to handle task based on my SSN (1099). Does not want to use EIN of Sole-Prop.

    I'd asked earlier this question with the understanding that they could use EIN of Sole Prop and found that I could add the EIN of Sole-Prop to my current MKK-Plan. But client wants to pay under SSN only.

    Can I do the same with my SSN?

    Fidelity form asks for:

    The term “Employer” includes the following Affiliated Employers covered by the Plan:, Should I add the following

    MKK - SSN

     

    Thanks,


    Eligibility related

    Jakyasar
    By Jakyasar,

    Looking at a plan doc prepared by another. Calendar plan.

    401k eligibility is 6 months (in which 1000 hours of service is required) with entry date first month following completion of 6 months. Can the plan require 1000 hours of service where eligibility is 6 months?

    PS is 12 months with 1000 hours so this is fine. Entry date is dual entry, 1st and 7th months.

    Thank you


    Unfamiliar Territory - the merger of 3 companies into one - each with a plan

    HarleyBabe
    By HarleyBabe,

    Help!  Currently have the following:  Current client Partnership with a 401(k) Safe Harbor Match plan, 2 other companies merged into my current client to become one company.  The two other companies are going to keep open their S Corps for pay purposes.  We will have 3 equal partners now.  One of the other companies has a 401(k) plan.  We want to either terminate or merge that into my current clients and then amend my current clients plan into whatever we redesign.  My question is should we terminate that other plan or do we have to merge it because the other owner is keeping his S corp open?


    Freezing a DC Plan Following Stock Purchase

    Towanda
    By Towanda,

    Our 401(k) client (the Buyer) acquired a company in November through a stock purchase.  The Seller has an existing 401(k) Plan that was not terminated prior to the acquisition.

    The Buyer wishes to bring employees from the acquired company into their 401(k) Plan effective for the first pay period in 2022.  The plan document has boilerplate language that excludes employees acquired under a 410(b)(6)(C) transaction.

    By preparing a Joinder Agreement, my understanding is that the transition period is voided since this Joinder would serve as an amendment to the Buyer's plan.  I assume the first line of defense is to freeze the Seller's 401(k) plan effective January 1, 2022 until the Buyer decides whether they will:

    • Permanently Freeze the 401(k)
    • Merge the Seller's 401(k) into theirs
    • Maintain 2 plans (highly unlikely)

    I have been asked to put together an outline that breaks down the implications of each decision.  I've found most of what I need, but I am having trouble locating information on freezing a DC plan.  In fact, it isn't clear to me why, in a stock purchase, a plan termination is off the table if the plan wasn't terminated prior to the acquisition.  

    Let's throw another wrench in the works.  Existing client has a SH Match, and acquired client has a SHNEC.  What are the implications in a merger?  The more I think about it, the more tangled it becomes.

    I have access to the 2021 EOB, but haven't found anything pointing to freezing a DC plan, or explaining why it is too late to terminate the Seller's plan.

    Can anyone point me to a resource, or provide me with a location in the EOB that will assist me in my response.

    Thank you!

     


    401k auto enroll permissible withdrawals - in ADP test?

    pmacduff
    By pmacduff,

    If a participant opts out after auto enroll and deferrals are distributed under the permissible withdrawal rules, are those contributions included in the ADP test?


    late excess deferral correction

    Draper55
    By Draper55,

    I am confused regarding correcting an excess 2020 deferral post 4/15. 1.) Does being taxable in the year of deferral imply issuing a 2020 1099R for the excess(if so what would be the codes?)or rather making sure the 2020 return includes the excess in wages? 2.) Do we wait and distribute the excess until otherwise distributable or distribute currently with earnings ? If distributed currently, is the correct code E?  


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