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    Deadline for profit sharing if short plan year follows

    Mr401k
    By Mr401k,

    Plan year has been April 1 - March 31 for some time, but is then amended for PYE Dec 31. One plan year ended March 31 2019; the next plan year will be short, ending December 31, 2019. For PYE 3/31/2019, what is the deadline for depositing a profit sharing contribution? Does the deposit need to take place by 12/31/2019 (i.e.,  the last day of the following/short plan year)? Or does the sponsor have a full 12 months...until March 31, 2020?

    Only asking about the allowed timing. Not about deductibility, comp, or limits on amounts.

    Thanks


    Participant dies before distribution check is deposited

    AlbanyConsultant
    By AlbanyConsultant,

    Participant requests a lump sum cash distribution payable to herself.  It gets overnighted to her and received, but she dies before depositing it or cashing it or whatever transaction she was going to do.

    The participant's son wants to deposit it into the participant's checking account to make it part of the estate.  The plan beneficiary (who is the late participant's mother) wants to have the whole transaction stopped and re-processed, arguing that since the check wasn't cashed yet, those are still plan assets and therefore the payment should now go to her as beneficiary.  So I guess this really comes down to when are the assets considered paid out from the plan - when the check is cut from the recordkeeper (which is what it shows when you log into the RK's website), or when the check is cashed?

    Any guidance (other than "tell them all to hire a boatload of attorneys" - which is where this might end up, anyway) is appreciated...


    Annuity Purchase 1099-R reporting

    mefrancis1729
    By mefrancis1729,

    If a plan purchases an annuity for a participant to remove them from the plan, does the plan still have to issue a 1099-R? Would it show the annuity purchase amount and that it was not taxable? I know the annuity company will issue a 1099-R for the payments the participant receives, but what about on the plan's side? 


    Distributions from partially-vested accts--protected?

    BG5150
    By BG5150,

    We have a bunch of plans that allow in-service and/or partial withdrawals fall all accounts, whether or not they are fully vested.

    Can we amend those plans to allow inservice or partial withdrawals only for fully vested accounts?  Would that be a cut back?


    Late Contributions - Lost Earnings 3 Years in a Row

    Vlad401k
    By Vlad401k,

    Hi,

     

    We have a plan that has late contributions every year for the past 3 years. It is my understanding that we can only rely on the VFCP correction method (and using the VFCP calculator) if late contributions happen at most in 2 of the last 3 years. Is that correct? If that's the case, what happens if the plan used the VFCP method in the previous 2 years (2016 and 2017) and had late contributions again this past year (2018)? Should we use the plan earnings to calculate what the participants are due? What if the plan lost money in 2018?

     

    Thank you.


    IRS VCP submission FAST APPROVAL

    Belgarath
    By Belgarath,

    Rather shocking. We were asked to clean up a non-compliant plan. Just submitted an uncomplicated VCP filing in mid-October for failure to timely adopt a PPA document. Received IRS Compliance Statement already! Since I'm always quick to bash the IRS for taking too long, I have to give them kudos for doing this one so fast! Never had one turn around in 4 weeks previously.


    Plan year change - compensation

    Jakyasar
    By Jakyasar,

    Current plan year is from 12/1/18 to 11/30/19. Compensation is defined as calendar year ending within fiscal year. for this plan year, it is 2018 w-2.

    Switching the plan year to 12/1/19 to 12/31/19 i.e. a short plan year.

    Assuming that will need to use the full 2019 w-2 for the short plan year, what proration is required if any, dc and db plans purposes other than hours?

    Thank you


    RMD - plan year change

    Jakyasar
    By Jakyasar,

    Current plan year end is 9/30/19. RMD is taken for 2019 based on 9/30/18 balance - 1.401a9-5-Q&A3

    Amending the plan year to a short year from 10/1/19 to 12/31/19.

    As a calendar 2019 RMD is already taken, will there a need for further allocation requirement based on 9/30/19 balance?

    If there is, what is the methodology?

    Thank you


    408b-2 disclosures

    Belgarath
    By Belgarath,

    Although  this is a related topic, it is not connected to a different discussion I initiated in another recent thread.

    When we do our 408b-2 disclosures, we specify the amount/formula for any Revenue Sharing all in the one disclosure document. However, I believe it is acceptable under the regulations to have this in more than one document, as long as the required information/format is used.

    Just curious if folks out there generally combine all in one document, or use two or more. For example, a basic 408b-2 disclosure that has everything except the Revenue Sharing formula, and then referring to an attachment prepared/published by the mutual fund company that describes the specific Revenue Sharing amounts/formula/calculation?


    pooled accounts - separate for actives and terminees?

    TPApril
    By TPApril,

    Plan has a pooled account. Would there be a concern with placing terminated participants into a separate pooled account that just contains say a Money Market fund?


    payroll period entry

    hunter001
    By hunter001,

    If a plan uses first day of each payroll period as an entry, does the plan sponsor start withholding deferrals on the pay date associated with that payroll? What if there is an overlapping paycheck? Example: Employee enters plan 10/27 (first day of next payroll period) with a 11/15 paydate. Paycheck on 11/1 for 10/13-10/26 pay period.


    SIMPLE IRA Termination

    mlp0816
    By mlp0816,

    I have a client that is selling his medical practice (5/1/2020).  The buyers do not want to maintain the existing Company SIMPLE IRA Plan.

    Can it be terminated since he did not give notice to the employees as of 11/1/2019?  Does the fact that he is selling his practice weigh in? 


    Employee contributions 5500 requirement

    Just Tri
    By Just Tri,

    I don't handle 403(b) plans, but it is my understanding that the financial data must be shown on the series 5500 filing if employee contributions are being made to the plan even if the employer is not contributing to the plan.  Am I correct about that?

     

    Thank you


    Overlap between Auto election period and a Blackout period

    Sidney
    By Sidney,

    There is an upcoming conversion to another 401(k) plan provider/trustee

    There are quarterly auto-enrollments into the plan. A notice will go out shortly advising of the January 1st entry into the plan. This notice will be sent by the current plan provider.

    Because of the ACA provision, participants must have 30 days to make an election or they will be defaulted in at 3%.

    The switch to the new plan provider will occur on December 20th.

    There will be a blackout period beginning December 15th, ending January 15th  

    There has been a sudden realization that the enrollment window has now shortened from December 1st to December 14th. Participants will not have 30 days to make an election.

    Question: Any (!!) guidance will be appreciated. For example, would it be prudent to amend the plan to provide for a one-time extension of enrollment into the plan until after January 15st.


    ADP Testing

    PFranckowiak
    By PFranckowiak,

    Prior year testing.  Take over plan

    Plan excludes bonus

    Failed 414(s) for year end 12/31/18

    They used Total Compensation for the ADP Test for 12/31/18

    This year do we run ADP using Total Compensation for HCE's since the number we have for the NHCEs from last year was TC?

    Also what is the rule for changing from Prior Year to Current year .. Can we change or is there a 5 year wait?

    ADP has been prior year for a long time.  ACP has been Current year and just changed to prior year last year.


    3(16) Signing Plan Documents

    austin3515
    By austin3515,

    Can a 3(16) Admin sign discretionary amendments on behalf of a client?


    Late ESOP Contributions?

    Tax Cowboy
    By Tax Cowboy,

    Group:

    Facts:

    Potential Biz Owner Client says in 2018 he started process of setting up S ESOP with effective start date of June 30, 2018. For a number of personal reasons and issues with a minority owner he has not gone through the steps. 

    Fast forward to Nov 2019. Clients' cpa insists he can still set up S ESOP with June '18 start date.. And merely file late 5500's, pay late penalties and fees since biz owner intent was to have retirement plan set up for 2018 tax year. 

    And I have always been under impression that retirement contributions (like ESOP'S) are due by  Sept 15th of following year. 

    Assume Client cpa and attorney create and memorialize all necessary ESOP docs with effective 2018 tax year. And late contribution made in Dec 2019 (two months past deadline). 

    Q: Even if Biz owner intent was to set up ESOP with an effective 2018 tax year, has anyone had success arguing with an auditor of reasons for late contribution? 

    Any case or IRC, Dept of Labor guidelines that biz owner can rely on?

    Thoughts and comments appreciated. 

    Thank you 

    Joe Dadich, Esq. 


    Loans Against Defined Benefit Plan?

    lmsmedley
    By lmsmedley,

    I have a lifetime defined benefit pension from a plan rated GREEN, has $3 billion in assets, and is 86% funded.

    Are there any lending entities who will lend against the monthly payment, if i have it contractually designated to be deposited

    in the lender's account each month, and back it with a term life policy?


    12/31 PYE Plans getting 5558 denials for 02/28 PYE?

    PMZJohn
    By PMZJohn,

    Have just recently had 3 or 4 different clients who are 12/31 PYE get notices from the IRS stating that their Form 5558 for 02/28/19 has been denied.  Extensions were filed for the 12/31/18 PYE for these clients, and their respective 5500s were filed timely.  No extension was ever submitted for these clients for a 02/28/19 PYE.

    Anyone else encountering this, or am I just really lucky?


    Church Plan

    oldman63
    By oldman63,

    A Christian School sponsored 403(b) plan filed a 5500SF.  The plan has over 100 participants.  They indicated on the form they didn't purchase a fidelity bond. 
    They have determined they are a 3121(w)(3)(a) organization and should not be covered by ERISA.  What measures can they take to stop filing 5500.  In addition, are they still required to perform an audit?


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