Bill Presson

As an FYI, I had always considered a "Related Employer" to be a firm that had some connection (like 1 person owned 100% of A and 50% of B with another person owning the remaining 50%) whether or not it actually reached controlled group or ASG status. Found out a short while ago that the plan document actually defines Related Employer and it has to be part of CG or ASG. Others might have already known this but I had assumed incorrectly. Pays to RTFD.

John posted it this morning a few messages above yours.

No. If they don't respond they get the annuity.

Ms Kirsten Curry is the founder and owner of that shop. I would whole heartedly endorse her and her work.

Also remember that the plan has to have more than 120 participants on the first day of the plan year to require an audit. That's anyone eligible (whether or not they have a balance) and anyone terminated with a balance of any size.

A blackout notice is only required if there's going to be a blackout. If the plans are both with the same RK and the change happens over night (or over a weekend) then a blackout notice wouldn't be necessary. If the participant log in, etc remains the same, then that won't need to be mentioned. But for the ones where the name would change, you'll want to give them a heads up. And a general notice/explanation is always good (even if not required) when you're dealing with someone's money.

Redcloud, you better take Peter up on this.

Did you not get my text? Or did you not want to use that one?

Whatever the new name is. The critical pieces the IRS/DOL need are the plan number and the EIN

Wrong track. Just file a single 5500 for 2020. Put the new sponsor info in section 2 on the first page. Put the old sponsor info in section 4 on the first page. (I'm assuming this is an SF, I didn't look at the regular 5500).

Agree with BG.

What does the document actually say? Most say something like "as soon as administratively feasible" following termination of employment. So if it's not administratively feasible to pay her until the 2020 is done, then tell the employer to tell her to wait. Someone has to be willing to take a little heat here and not cave.

Saying it and getting it done are two different things. 😁

The only issue I see is that it has to start tomorrow if it's a 2021 calendar year plan.

I don't think there's a conflict of interest. But there might be concern about disclosure at home (ie pillow talk) and it would be a good idea (IMHO) to disclose it up front and let your client know that it's not uncommon for those relationships to exist and that nobody ever gets information on anyone.

Pretty sure he was teasing.

Did you submit the Form 14704 with everything?

Agree with Mike. Require the owner hire an ERISA attorney or walk away.

Correct, much like an excluded class.

If it's a valid waiver, they are not a participant in the plan.

Yes. It's a legitimate plan expense.

Does SECURE allow you to use the business extension for starting a new plan if the business tax year and the plan tax year don't match?

As long as the EIN and plan number are correct, I wouldn't lose sleep whichever way you do it.

Occasionally greater truths are learned on this board.

Depends on the document, though she would usually immediately re-enter. So, RTFD.