C. B. Zeller
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The plan loses its top heavy exemption if there are employees who are eligible for 401(k) but not for safe harbor contributions.
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RMD marital status unknown
C. B. Zeller replied to CLE Pension's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
What's stopping you from contacting the participant and asking them? If they're unlocatable or unresponsive, how do you expect them to cash the check (in whatever form ends up being paid out)? -
Agree with Belgarath. If the plan has never filed a 5500-EZ before, you will need to check both the "First return" and "Final return" checkboxes.
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Who Must Get The 7.5% Gateway?
C. B. Zeller replied to metsfan026's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
The gateway is satisfied if all NHCEs in the test receive an allocation of no less than the applicable minimum. If this person who worked less than 1000 hours didn't get an accrual in the DB plan, then they have to get the entire allocation from the DC plan. Since they received a DC top heavy minimum, they will have to be included in the test, and if they're included in the test then they have to get the gateway minimum. If this person were otherwise excludable (because they are under age 21, or never worked 1000 hours in any year), then you might not have to give them the gateway minimum, if you can pass testing by disaggregating otherwise excludables. -
MDO for plan w/auto-enrollment
C. B. Zeller replied to TPApril's topic in Correction of Plan Defects
The ADP is used when an employee was improperly excluded from a non-safe harbor plan. Automatic enrollment is considered to be equivalent to an affirmative election, so you use the rules for failure to implement, which use the employee's actual (or deemed, in the case of automatic enrollment) election. -
Lost Earnings on Missed Deferrals and SHMAT
C. B. Zeller replied to FT Retire's topic in 401(k) Plans
You tend to see #1 and #2 when there was an improper exclusion from the plan, or when the participant's election was not implemented. #3 and #4 are usually associated with the situation where amounts were withheld from an employee's paycheck but not deposited to the plan trust. What actually happened in your case? Need more details to give you a better answer. -
Mid Year Amendments to Non Safe Harbor Plan
C. B. Zeller replied to Susan S.'s topic in 401(k) Plans
I don't see any reason why you couldn't amend the definition of compensation mid-year for employees who have not yet entered the plan. However, the plan's definition of compensation for allocations does not (usually) control its definition of compensation for testing. You can use post-entry comp for testing without amending the plan. You can also use comp net of deferrals (remember to also net out sec. 125 deferrals if you do this). Just double check that there isn't something in your plan document that would lock you in to a particular definition of comp for testing. If you think about it, though, allocation comp for deferrals is always post-entry comp; you can't defer on comp that was paid before you entered the plan. -
Small Plan - Employees Provided False SSN
C. B. Zeller replied to DMincevich's topic in Correction of Plan Defects
Are you sure that's what the plan says? Read the exact wording in your plan document. I bet it actually says something to the effect that non-resident aliens with no U.S.-source income are excluded. If someone worked in the U.S. then they would not fall under that excludable employee classification, even if they are not a citizen and not a permanent resident. -
1. Not included 2. Included 3. Not included For purposes of determining the deduction limit in a profit sharing plan, you only count the compensation of employees who are beneficiaries of the plan, defined as anyone who actually receives a contribution for the year.
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Contribution funding and tax return extensions
C. B. Zeller replied to JPIngold's topic in Retirement Plans in General
Seems like your situation is similar to the one described in rev. rul. 66-144. The IRS ruled that the extension was valid for purposes of extending the deadline to make a plan contribution. https://www.taxnotes.com/research/federal/irs-guidance/revenue-rulings/rev.-rul.-66-144/d5wt -
Who Must Get The 7.5% Gateway?
C. B. Zeller replied to metsfan026's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
You are permissively aggregating the profit sharing and cash balance plans for testing. Anyone who benefits in that combined plan—that is, anyone who gets any contribution in the profit sharing plan or any accrual in the cash balance plan—must be included in the combined test and receive the gateway (unless an exception applies). So yes, your employee who works 1,000 hours in the year and terminates still needs to get the gateway. Remember, the gateway is based on the aggregate normal allocation rate, meaning it includes the equivalent allocation rate from the accrual in the cash balance plan. So the profit sharing contribution needed to satisfy the gateway should be somewhat less than 7.5%. -
Secure Act amendment for terminating CB plan
C. B. Zeller replied to D.J. Simonetti's topic in Plan Terminations
Perhaps, but it would certainly apply to a plan year beginning 8/1/2023. For a plan beginning its termination process today, I would not want to risk its qualification status on the termination being completed, including distribution of all assets, before 8/1/2023. Particularly if the plan is covered by PBGC. -
Are there reasons not to merge union and non-union plans?
C. B. Zeller replied to Peter Gulia's topic in 401(k) Plans
There are a number of reasons why a recordkeeper might care about an employee's pay schedule. If the plan allows loans, and the recordkeeper produces the loan repayment schedule, that schedule would normally need to be aligned to the employee's pay dates. Some recordkeepers may provide missed contribution notifications to the employer, if an expected contribution is not received by a certain date. -
Secure Act amendment for terminating CB plan
C. B. Zeller replied to D.J. Simonetti's topic in Plan Terminations
If the plan has a variable interest crediting rate, it will need to be amended for SECURE 2.0 sec. 348. -
Are there reasons not to merge union and non-union plans?
C. B. Zeller replied to Peter Gulia's topic in 401(k) Plans
If the employer is relying on an IRS-preapproved plan document, it might be difficult, if not impossible, to accommodate different benefit structures for the union and non-union employees on a single document. Not just the safe harbor contributions (or lack thereof), but if there are any different eligibility or distribution options for the two groups. If there are different pay schedules (e.g. weekly for the union employees and semi-monthly for the office employees), the plan's recordkeeper or other service provider may struggle to correctly account for that difference within a single plan. -
401(k)(2)(D) says that you can not impose a service requirement longer than the maximum under 410(a), without regard to the 2-year eligibility rule. 1.401(k)-1(b)(1)(ii) says that a 401(k) plan (other than a SIMPLE) must satisfy either the ADP test, or the safe harbor provisions. 1.401(k)-1(b)(4)(iv)(B) prohibits the use of restructuring to satisfy section 401(k). Thus, the entire plan must satisfy either the ADP test or the safe harbor provisions; you could not, for example, apply the ADP test only to employees with less than two years of service and rely on the safe harbor for employees with two or more years of service. 1.401(k)-3(h)(3) specifically calls out the ability to use the option to disaggregate otherwise excludable employees as a means of satisfying section 401(k) for plans that require 1 year of service for safe harbor contributions, but allow early participation for deferrals.
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No. However, when combined with certain entry dates, it is possible that an employee might not become eligible for safe harbor contributions for almost 18 months after their date of hire.
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Wouldn't the participants have become fully vested when the plan terminated? Then the ACP excess contributions would be distributed, instead of forfeited. The amounts distributed would not be eligible for rollover, so you might need to issue corrected 1099-Rs and notify the participants that they need to remove the amounts attributable to the corrective distributions from their IRAs.
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In general, you can exclude anyone from participation in a plan, as long as you have a definitely determinable way of doing so. You could exclude them by name; for example the plan could say that "The definition of Eligible Employee does not contain Joe Smith." There are other ways to do it as well. If the employees being excluded are all HCEs (and if they are the spouse/child/parent/grandparent of a 5% owner, then they are HCEs) then this exclusion should not cause any issues with your coverage test. How excluded classifications of employees will interact with the upcoming LTPT rules is still TBD.
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It may not be a pooled account but it is still a single plan, and the contributions are assets of the plan - not of any particular individual - until they are distributed. Yes, reallocate the excess contributions (plus earnings) to other participants. The plan document presumably says that all contributions will be allocated to participants' accounts, with a maximum of the 415(c) limit. You have an operational error since that limit was not applied correctly. You can self-correct the error by undoing the excess (remove those contributions from the participant's account) and then follow the plan document's instructions as to what should have been done with them (allocate according to the plan's formula).
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Reallocate to other participants who aren't at their 415 limit.
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Notice 2016-16 prohibits a mid-year change to reduce or narrow the group of employees eligible to receive safe harbor contributions. I think you could do either: 1. Amend the plan effective 1/1/2024 to change the eligibility requirements for everyone, or 2. Amend the plan effective immediately to set a 1 year of service requirement for employees hired after the date of the amendment, and retain the existing service requirement for current employees.
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Because the law says it does. There is a specific rule - IRC 402A(c)(4)(E) - that says amounts transferred from a pre-tax account to a Roth account will be "treated as a distribution" which is why you can do this. There is no rule that says you can net your RMD against your planned contributions for the year and avoid taking a distribution if you contribute less. "Seems to" is not the same thing as "is." The main thing you're missing is that qualified plans have to have their assets in a trust, under the control of a trustee. Under your method, the trust never has control of the amount, so it can't be considered to be plan assets, so it can't be used to satisfy the RMD requirements. Your chart also seems to be saying that the $10,000 will simply remain in the business account. The RMD doesn't get paid to the business, it gets paid to the participant. The business would have to pay it out to the participant in that case, and there might be questions why a payment directly from the business to an employee isn't being treated as wages. If the goal is just to avoid making a payment out of the main plan account, what you might be able to do is to open a checking account in the name of the plan. Then deposit the $15,000 to that account, transfer $5,000 of it to the main plan account, and pay out the remaining $10,000 to the owner. That seems unnecessarily complicated to me, but maybe it will accomplish your aims.
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You might find this helpful: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ebsa/about-ebsa/our-activities/public-disclosure/foia/form-5500-datasets
