hch4cpa Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 Plan is 4% safe harbor and definition of compensation is W-2 income with all pre-tax contributions included. Plan does not specify any exclusions from compensation. Plan provides participant the option to elect/amend contribution to defer up to 100% of bonuses. From a practical stand point - Even if the participant does not elect to have a deferral taken from the bonus amount, should a 4% safe harbor match still be made?
BG5150 Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 What does the plan say about the calculation period? Per pay, or annual? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
hch4cpa Posted April 3, 2019 Author Posted April 3, 2019 "Compensation paid during a Plan Year while a Participant" - So annual, I presume? I guess this would mean the match should be applied, correct?
ratherbereading Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 hch4cps I think you misunderstood the question -- is the SH match paid annually or per payroll? 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
hch4cpa Posted April 3, 2019 Author Posted April 3, 2019 Match is made and contributed per payroll period. The "Compensation Computation Period" is the entire Plan Year., per the plan document though.
BG5150 Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, CEW said: hch4cps I think you misunderstood the question -- is the SH match paid annually or per payroll? Not PAID, but CALCULATED. You can have match calculated per pay period but deposited almost any time. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
BG5150 Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, hch4cpa said: Match is made and contributed per payroll period. The "Compensation Computation Period" is the entire Plan Year., per the plan document though. You are looking in the wrong spot. Look in the match/safe harbor section to see when the match is calculated. It has nothing to do with compensation. Again, you can have a match that is CALCULATED on a PER PAY basis, but the employer does not deposit it to the trust until the end of the month. or quarter. Or semi-annually. Or even at the end of the year. But you could also have a match that is calculated on an ANNUAL basis, but, perhaps, the employer deposits match that would be due each pay period, with a true-up at the end of the year if necessary. One exception is if a Safe Harbor Match is calculated per pay period, you must deposit it before the end of the calendar quarter following the pay period of the deferral. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
hch4cpa Posted April 3, 2019 Author Posted April 3, 2019 "Limitations On Safe Harbor Contributions - The Employer elects to match Safe Harbor Contributions on an annual basis".
Mike Preston Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 10 hours ago, hch4cpa said: Plan is 4% safe harbor and definition of compensation is W-2 income with all pre-tax contributions included. Plan does not specify any exclusions from compensation. Plan provides participant the option to elect/amend contribution to defer up to 100% of bonuses. From a practical stand point - Even if the participant does not elect to have a deferral taken from the bonus amount, should a 4% safe harbor match still be made? What would make you think it shouldn't?
BG5150 Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 15 hours ago, hch4cpa said: "Limitations On Safe Harbor Contributions - The Employer elects to match Safe Harbor Contributions on an annual basis". 22 hours ago, hch4cpa said: Even if the participant does not elect to have a deferral taken from the bonus amount, should a 4% safe harbor match still be made? I don't think any match would be made if no deferrals were made. However, since the match is determined on an annual basis, someone may want to figure out if there is a true-up needed and make up the difference. But if this is the middle of the year, I probably wouldn't put any match in. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
ratherbereading Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 On 4/3/2019 at 2:00 PM, BG5150 said: Not PAID, but CALCULATED. You can have match calculated per pay period but deposited almost any time. That's actually what I meant to say … 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
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