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Employer deposits match and a "profit sharing" each pay period for everyone (who is supposed to get each).

They missed one guy for a couple payrolls in 2021.  (Deferrals went in fine)  They deposited the missed contributions the other day.

Given that the contributions need to be deposited by the time they file their taxes, do I need to bother withy earnings?

(Let's assume the taxes weren't filed yet)

QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPA

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

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I like the argument that "getting your amounts early" is a benefit/right/feature.  So if you miss one NHCE you probably still pass coverage on it.

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Does the plan document say that match and "profit sharing" (why is this in quotes?) will be deposited each pay period? If so you have an operational failure due to failure to follow the plan document, and you can self-correct under the terms of EPCRS - which requires earnings.

If the plan document doesn't say that contributions will be deposited each pay period, then I think you should still consider whether you have a potential 401(a)(4) issue, taking into consideration that the right to earnings on contributions is a benefit, right or feature that has to be available on a non-discriminatory basis.

Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance.

Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA
Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
corey@pppc.co

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On 4/6/2022 at 11:13 AM, BG5150 said:

Employer deposits match and a "profit sharing" each pay period for everyone (who is supposed to get each).

They missed one guy for a couple payrolls in 2021.  (Deferrals went in fine)  They deposited the missed contributions the other day.

Given that the contributions need to be deposited by the time they file their taxes, do I need to bother withy earnings?

(Let's assume the taxes weren't filed yet)

Even if the plan document does not require payroll date deposit, if you contributed on a payroll basis for everyone else and not doing so for this one participant was an error, I think you would probably owe interest (at least in the DOL's view) to correct your breach of the fiduciary duty of care.

Luke Bailey

Senior Counsel

Clark Hill PLC

214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com

2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600

Frisco, TX 75034

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Consider also that paying over some reasonable measure of interest or time value of money might be needed to correct whatever prohibited transactions might have resulted from the employer keeping (and having the opportunity to use) money that in good conscience belonged to the plan.

Peter Gulia PC

Fiduciary Guidance Counsel

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

215-732-1552

Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com

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On 4/6/2022 at 12:47 PM, C. B. Zeller said:

and "profit sharing" (why is this in quotes?)

It's a 403(b) plan.  Not really "profit sharing".

UPDATE:  they paid him the $7 in earnings.

QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPA

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

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