Egold Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 May a 55 year old participant earns 200,000 (sole participant) May his 2021 contribution be $20,500 deferal 6, 500 catchup 6,000 3% safe harbor Total $33,000 for 2021 Is the 33,000 allowed
ratherbereading Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 Do you mean 2022? Why would you think it's not allowed? 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
C. B. Zeller Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 Why would you have a safe harbor plan if there are no other participants? Does this individual have a SEP or any other plans? Luke Bailey 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Egold Posted January 5, 2022 Author Posted January 5, 2022 3 hours ago, ratherbereading said: Do you mean 2022? Why would you think it's not allowed? My concern is this is a 401K plan. I want to make sure that the $33,000 doesn't exceed the 401K limit of $27000 for 2021 Thank you for your help
Bill Presson Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 Well the deferral limit for 2021 is $19,500 with $6,500 catchup. So 2021 has a $26,000 limit. The employer contributions don't count against that limit. This thread has me a little concerned. Mr Bagwell, Luke Bailey and Lou S. 3 William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Mike Preston Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 This is amazingly confused. Why are you listing catch-ups of any kind for somebody age 55?
Bill Presson Posted January 6, 2022 Posted January 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Mike Preston said: This is amazingly confused. Why are you listing catch-ups of any kind for somebody age 55? Gotta admit, Mike, this confuses me. Why wouldn't someone show a catch-up contribution for someone 50 or over? May not HAVE to do it in a solo plan, but can. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Mike Preston Posted January 6, 2022 Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Bill Presson said: Gotta admit, Mike, this confuses me. Why wouldn't someone show a catch-up contribution for someone 50 or over? May not HAVE to do it in a solo plan, but can. You are correct. Blame it on jet lag. Bill Presson 1
Bird Posted January 6, 2022 Posted January 6, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 7:15 PM, Egold said: May a 55 year old participant earns 200,000 (sole participant) May his 2021 contribution be $20,500 deferal 6, 500 catchup 6,000 3% safe harbor Total $33,000 for 2021 Is the 33,000 allowed Egold, not only is that amount allowed but much more. The overall max for 2022 is $61,000; the catchup doesn't count towards that so effectively it becomes $67,500. Can he get there? Well if we subtract 20500 from 61000 we get 40500. The employer contribution is limited to 25% of pay, which is 50000. 40500 < 50000 so 40500 is ok as an employer contribution...if we are talking about a corporation. If it is a sole proprietor then you have to subtract the employer contribution and part of the self-employment tax to get net/net compensation, and that number would be somewhat less than 40500. The gist of your question seems to be whether the employer safe harbor contribution counts against the 401(k) limit and the answer is emphatically "no." As others have noted, there is no point to the safe harbor if he is the only participant. It doesn't actually hurt but is probably causing confusion. R Griffith and Bill Presson 2 Ed Snyder
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