metsfan026 Posted September 24, 2022 Posted September 24, 2022 Have a potential new client that just came to me with a failed ADP Test. However, the previous TPA did not make any type of correction to the test. Now we are left trying to figure out how to proceed: 1) Is this correctable via the VCP program? 2) In order to correct the testing, can we refund one participant enough in order to pass the testing? 3) What liabilities, if any, are there to the company? 4) What penalties could the Plan face?
Popular Post Bri Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Posted September 26, 2022 Well, I'd start with figuring out what year's test has failed 🙂 401kology, CuseFan, Lou S. and 2 others 5
C. B. Zeller Posted September 26, 2022 Posted September 26, 2022 You can always correct using refunds or QNECs up to 12 months after the end of the plan year that failed. Otherwise, if it's eligible for self-correction, you can use the One-to-One method in rev. proc. 2021-30. If it's not eligible for self-correction, then it's into VCP. If you don't want to use the one-to-one method, you could try proposing an alternative method in VCP, but I think you'd better have a darn good reason why you aren't using the method that was specifically provided in the rev proc. Lou S., CuseFan, ugueth and 1 other 4 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
metsfan026 Posted September 26, 2022 Author Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, C. B. Zeller said: You can always correct using refunds or QNECs up to 12 months after the end of the plan year that failed. Otherwise, if it's eligible for self-correction, you can use the One-to-One method in rev. proc. 2021-30. If it's not eligible for self-correction, then it's into VCP. If you don't want to use the one-to-one method, you could try proposing an alternative method in VCP, but I think you'd better have a darn good reason why you aren't using the method that was specifically provided in the rev proc. In general, is there an issue with correcting the test by refunding one participant enough to get it to pass?
Popular Post C. B. Zeller Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Posted September 26, 2022 When you say "refund one participant," what I'm hearing is that there are multiple HCEs and you want to just pick one to eat a refund. That is not ok under any method I have ever heard of. The 401(k) regs and EPCRS lay out specific methods for correcting an ADP test failure. Try something else at your own peril. Also don't forget to read the plan document. Does it say anything about how an ADP test failure will be corrected? Luke Bailey, ugueth, 401kology and 2 others 5 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
BG5150 Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 The first correction window is 12 months after the plan year end. During that time, you can either refund certain amounts or do a QNEC (if it is current year testing). If prior year testing, you can only do refunds. (Well, technically, you can use QNECs deposited during the testing year, but who makes those kinds of contributions other than when they have to for a correction of some sort) After that 12 month window, you are in EPCRS territory, and the methods are spelt out there. (Note, you can no do a QNEC, even if you have prior year testing.) basically, the corrections are: QNEC to pass the test OR do refunds and THEN the employer must provide a QNEC int he amount of the gross refunds. Another note: You can no longer test otherwise excludable separately. I think now under EPCRS you have 3 years after the end of the plan year to correct it. After that, you have to submit under VCP. If I'm wrong, then it's two years. Luke Bailey 1 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Bri Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 I always thought you should be able to make a QNEC on 12-29 if your YTD payroll is done, you test using prior year, and you know you're about to fail.
Nate S Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Bri said: I always thought you should be able to make a QNEC on 12-29 if your YTD payroll is done, you test using prior year, and you know you're about to fail. Right, if its prior year testing you can only use a qnec deposited during the plan year.
Nate S Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 11:12 PM, metsfan026 said: Have a potential new client that just came to me with a failed ADP Test. Step 1: re-test, Step 2: repeat Step 1 until test passes, Step 3: new client signs fat consulting check Never, ever, unless paid to do so, rely on someone else's test. hr for me 1
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