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    Terminating ESOP while under Audit?

    Tax Cowboy
    By Tax Cowboy,

    Group:

    I have a potential client who owns a company that has sponsored an ESOP some years ago.

    This has become costly to the client and too many regulatory hurdles in their opinion.  They'd like to terminate at end of this year (12/31/18).  The client is under a TEGE audit.  Can the client terminate the plan while under audit?

    The audit years in question do not relate to 2018.

    Thoughts and comments appreciated.


    Investment of Employer Contribution

    khn
    By khn,

    An annual special contribution made by an employer for Union employees is invested in a Stable Value fund and can be transferred into the plan's default fund (target date funds).  Wouldn't it be a better practice to invest initially into the target date fund, which is their QDIA? Or would it be better to invest it according to the participants' chosen investment elections?

     


    Failure to Make Matching Contributions

    oldman63
    By oldman63,

    A governmental 403(b) plan, effective 2/1/2016, with plan year ending 8/31, provides for a fixed employer matching contribution of 100% match on elective deferrals up to 3% of compensation.  However, the employer failed to make the required matching contributions.

    Thus the plan has an operational error and under EPCRS, as updated by Rev. Proc. 2008-50, mandates that the employer implement correction method that would restore the plan and its participants to the position they would have been in had the failure not occurred. Such measures would include:

    1.  Make matching contributions on behalf of the affected participants retroactive to the time such contributions should have been made.

    2.  Provide earnings from the time the matching contributions would have first been made.

    3.  Redo 415 testing for the years in which operation failure occurred.

    Are there other self-correction measures the employer should take?


    RMD for not quite terminated employee

    BH1528
    By BH1528,

    There is an employee who has an accrued benefit who is over 70.5 and works seasonally. The company does not usually know if he will be coming back for the next year until ~March or April. He has not resigned from the company or retired but doesn't work the last few months of the year. Should he begin receiving an RMD?


    Plan design question: Limited HCE eligibility

    Santo Gold
    By Santo Gold,

    We are drafting a new 401k plan for 2019, non-safe harbor.  200+ expected eligible participants.  Initially the plan was to be written excluding HCEs (HCEs would have their own nonqualified Deferred Comp program).   

    The question was now asked can we let the HCEs into this plan so that they can rollover any 401(k) accounts from previous employer (presumably unrelated) 401k plans, but not have the HCEs eligible to make 401k contributions or receive any employer match (only 2 money types, other than rollover, allowed in the plan).  Does this sound acceptable?  This would only affect HCEs so discrimination issues would not seem to matter.

    Thanks for any replies.


    EX won't sign QDRO- PLEASE HELP

    DMB72
    By DMB72,

    My ex and I went to mediation in April 2018. Settled on amount to be paid to me through QDRO (considering half retirement account/equity of assets and debts). My atty filed the paperwork. Divorce was final June 14, 2018. Through the mediation, I agreed to move with my 2 minor children. So, I had to find a house, down payment, closing costs, moving costs, etc. I also assumed the debt bc I planned to pay it off with a cash out of the QDRO. Came back for ex to sign on x amount back inn August. He refused to sign. He claims I didn't hold up my end of the bargain when turning the house over. Claims damage (there was none), claims I took things I shouldn't have (he made a list and I left EVERYTHING he asked for and then some). He said he doesn't have anything to lose. Right, I had all the expense of moving out and he's earning money on the money he owes me and I took the debt! His atty is a real treat and based on dates and texts I have from him, they were planning this all along- I just didn't see it coming until after the fact. So, they let me file the QDRO knowing full well that he was going to make me come after it. My atty told me in my county this wouldn't cost me more than 3500 as long as we settled in mediation. I paid him that and got an 8k bill after that. I have them hounding me for money but I'm a single mom and strapped. I have the bill down to 5800 but I need the QDRO money to pay him. He doesn't return my calls or emails for 6 weeks and the first thing he asks for is money! He asked me to settle with him after we ALREADY agreed. Finally, months later and I agreed bc I need to get this settled or I'm going to go into BK fast. I have borrowed from family just to keep my head above water. My atty claims he's waiting on a response from the other atty but it's gone on too long. I looked up what to do. It says file a motion to enforce the JOD. I was told when I do that, his atty is just going to file something claiming the mediation was done fraudulently. What can I do? My ex was controlling, abusive and manipulative and I still can't get away from it! Please help!


    Credit Service for Predecessor Employer ... From Date, Through Date. Is this an option?

    401king
    By 401king,

    Is it permissible to include service within a specified period of time from a predecessor employer? For instance, only service completed since a certain date, or through a specific date?

    In what is a unique scenario for our firm, we have a Plan where the Sponsor is a group of various health practices which have banded together to form one large corporation, where each "original" practice now owns a piece of this new company. 

    When we originally established the Plan we credited all service from each predecessor employer, because those practices no longer employed the Larger group's employees, and these practices wanted the employees to become eligible based on their service with their practice. 

    A new practice is joining the Group. For administrative reasons, we wish to exclude service with that employer prior to a certain date (1/1/2017, for example). This is to save us/the Sponsor from having to review whether or not any of the 500+ employees worked for this new practice at any time since its inception (30+ years). We wouldn't want to recognize all years, having the unintended side effect of resulting in an employee of another practice becoming eligible (and costing that practice owner the Profit Sharing contribution). At the same time, we don't want to ignore all service with the new group, preventing them from becoming eligible for the new plan. 

    So, can we recognize / credit service from a predecessor employer during a specified period of time?


    Suspension Period under Proposed Hardship Regulations

    Gruegen
    By Gruegen,

    Is a plan using the "facts & circumstances" method of determining immediate and heavy financial need under Treasury Regulation 1.401(k)-1(d)(3)(iii)(A) permitted to impose a 401(k) contributions suspension period under the Proposed Hardship Regulations?

    I realize that the preamble to the proposed hardship regulations state "the proposed regulations do not permit a plan to provide for a suspension of elective contributions or employee contributions as a condition of obtaining a hardship distribution." However, I couldn't tell if that applied solely to plans using the deemed safe harbor reason, or to both deemed safe harbor and "facts & circumstances" method. 


    Coverage Test for Controlled Group--one co no longer in business

    BG5150
    By BG5150,

    Company A wants to sponsor a plan in 2018.  Owned 50-50 by brothers.  Company was in existence since 2016, but only really started conducting business in October 2018.  Brothers, their wives and a child are all getting paid for services.  Company A adopts a 401(k) plan 10/1/18 effective 1/1/18.  21-1 YOS, semi-annual entry.  EEs employed 10/1 have service waived and enter immediately.

    The brothers also owned another business, Company B, with 6 other (NHCE) employees.  So, controlled group.  Company B folded 9/30/18.  Company B did not have a retirement plan

    Two employees from Company B started working for Co. A in November.

    I'm guessing I have to count their service with Co. B.  When do they come into the plan?  January 1?

    Do we have a coverage issue?


    NonResident Alien Now Resident Alien - Service and Comp

    Gilmore
    By Gilmore,

    Company A, with 401(k), excludes nonresident aliens.  Employee B, citizen of non-US country with no US Source income, is employee of Company A starting Jan 1, 2018.   401(k) has 3 month wait.

    Employee B is moved to US and will begin receiving US source income from Company A 12/1/2018.

    In reading other posts, I believe service is counted since Jan 1, 2018, and Employee B would be considered as having satisfied the 3 month eligibility wait.

    How about their compensation from Jan 1 to Dec 1?  I've seen posts that all non-US source comp is excluded (say for ADP test, determining next year's HCEs).  I've seen other posts that indicate the compensation non-US source income must be converted to US dollars and used for plan purposes.

    Any assistance is appreciated.  Thanks.


    5500-EZ or SF

    John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA
    By John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA,

    Husband/wife own 96% of the company and are eligible for the plan. No other employees.

    Their adult kids own the other 4%, but the kids are not employees, not eligible for the plan.

    Eligible for EZ, or must they file SF?


    403b Contributions in New Jersey

    austin3515
    By austin3515,

    Can someone speak to whether or not contributions to a 403b plan are tax deductible for a New Jersey resident?

    someone is saying that they New Jersey does not recognize the deduction for 403b plans, but does for 401k plans.  Yet I have plenty of New Jersey customers and this has never come up--much less the issue of basis that people would have in their accoounts. 

    It could even get messier if for example they do not get the deduction in New Jersey and then they move to  California to retire, and take the money out and pay California tax on the way out.

    This just cannot be.

    On a similar note, I heard the same thing about 457b plans.


    $0.30 RMD - seriously?

    AlbanyConsultant
    By AlbanyConsultant,

    A terminated participant has a residual balance of $5... so his RMD is less than the cost of the stamp it would take to mail the check to him.  I know there's talk of not having RMDs if the AB is <$50K, but that's not here today.  Any thoughts on just giving this a pass?  Thanks.


    Plan and fiscal year don't match

    Belgarath
    By Belgarath,

    I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around a screwy situation.

    Plan year is calendar year 2018. Limitation year is 2018. Fiscal year is 4/1/2017 - 3/31/2018. Extended tax filing deadline is 12/15/2018.

    Plan excludes pre-participation compensation.  Eligibility is 3 months/250 hours, monthly entry.

    Participant is hired in 2018 - let's say on June 14th, enters plan October 1, 2018. Compensation form Date of Participation is, say, $30,000.

    Prior TPA has been allocating contributions made for a given fiscal year for the prior plan year, based upon prior plan year compensation. Example - for 2017 plan year, allocations were made based on 2016 calendar year compensation.

    I don't see how this can work. While you can theoretically allocate a contribution made in a current plan year, with the fiscal year ending in the current plan year, for a prior plan year, how can you allocate for 2017 (in the circumstances above) based on 2018 participating compensation, when the only participating compensation is during plan year 2018? There is no 2017 plan year compensation.

    Am I missing something?


    Partial Distributions No Longer Valid ?

    KazzaDoom
    By KazzaDoom,

    I have a 401k account that was setup thru a divorce QDRO order. I have been making periodic minor partial withdraws from this account for close to 4 years. However the latest request for partial distribution was denied. The plan provider is now claiming that the plan does not allow for partial distributions and they claim that the previous withdraws over the last few years have been an "oversight" on their part. They stated that this "plan rule" can be found in the Summary Plan Description ( which I promptly download from them ) and it DOES NOT spell out any rules regarding partial withdraws for plan participants. I was polite and I asked them to point out exactly where the rule was...but they could not. They then claimed that it is forbidden according to the adoption agreement with the plan administrator and they are legally bound to abide by it. My question is do I have any recourse action I can take ? 


    Old SSAs filed

    austin3515
    By austin3515,

    Is anyone aware of a way to request old 8955-SSA's filed from the IRS?  We have a new client who wants to make sure they have D'ed everyone that they A'd as far back as possible (obviously just the ones who have closed their accounts).  they don't have copies internally and the prior provider sent the last couple but that's it.


    Closely held stock on ESBP Plan Termination

    MadDog1111
    By MadDog1111,

    This question relates to terminating a vanilla C-Corp employee stock bonus plan ("ESBP" not and ESOP) that is almost entirely invested in closely held employer stock.  A 5310 application has been pending with the IRS since Sept.  The company wants to give the participants the choice they have had in the past  (as called for under the plan) of taking their plan termination distributions in cash or in stock. The Company would like to redeem shares from the Plan to raise whatever cash is needed to meet the participant elections. There are non-employee shareholders, so can't compel sale of the stock.

    Are they required to not only get an independent valuation but also to appoint an independent trustee to negotiate the redemption price and make a good faith determination that the plan is being treated fairly and receiving "adequate consideration" (not less than fair market value) for its shares?  Is this to be AS OF THE DATE OF THE  REDEMPTION SALE?  If so CAN THE REDEMPTION SALE TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE DATE OF DISTRIBUTION?   What are the mechanics of doing that?  Can the participants make their election now but advise them if they elect cash their shares will be redeemed at the fair market value of the stock on the date of actual share redemption as determined by the independent trustee and an independent valuation? 


    Distribution timing when participant is re-hired

    Kansas401k
    By Kansas401k,

    Have a "splitting hairs" question.  Plan document reads:

    (6)   Return to employment. A Participant may not receive a distribution based on Separation from Service, or continue any Installment distribution based on a prior Separation from Service, if, prior to the time the Trustee actually makes the distribution, the Participant returns to employment with the Employer.

    At issue is the meaning of the phrase "Participant returns to employment" in the last sentence.  I contend that the employee has returned on the date he or she begins working.  I base this on the fact that his/her re-hire date is the date he/she begins working, not the date called.  Another party interprets that the employee has "returned to employment" if he or she has been notified they are being called back to work.  A distribution was in process to the terminated employee.  Before the funds were paid out, both parties were notified that the employee had been re-hired with an effective date three weeks in the future.  I contend we should not stop the distribution.  The more conservative party (who by the way is very highly regarded and I have the utmost respect for) states that because we know he will be rehired, he has "returned to employment" and we should stop the distribution. 

    I've made my decision but am curious to run this by other experts out there.  Thanks much!

     


    New Company Formed - Distributional event?

    tylerb172
    By tylerb172,

    Company A Owns 60% and Company B owns 40% of Company C. The employees of Company B are no longer employee of Company B but now employee of Company C. Company B sponsored a 401k Plan previous. New Company C started sponsoring a 401k plan that allows rollovers. Both Company A and B still exist and neither have employees. All employees from A & B are now employees of Company C.

    Do the employees of company B have a distributable event?


    Incorrect Loan Payments

    bevfair
    By bevfair,

    Plan allows for 1 loan at a time.  Participant has a loan, which he took out in 2014 with a weekly payment of $31.38.  In August 2017, the Participant contacts the Investment Company, pays off the loan and requests a new loan.  New payment amount is $140.53.  The TPA approves the loan and it is then approved by the Plan Sponsor.  The entire process is done electronically.  Participant is not married so there is no spousal consent and thus no physical paperwork is generated for the request until the loan is approved and the IC sends a confirmation report to the participant which contains the terms of the loan.  This is a standard procedure.  TPA and IC notify the client that the first loan was paid off and provide the amortization schedule with the new payment amount to be implemented via payroll.  Payments are being made but the IC/TPA do not provide loan monitoring for this particular client.  Fast forward to October 2018 during the 5500 audit, the auditor picks up this loan for his sample and discovers that while payments were made timely, the amount was incorrect.  How does this get corrected?  Would this loan be considered in default, even though payments have been made timely just in the wrong amount?  Does the plan need to file under VCP?  Can the loan be re-amortized so that the loan is paid off by the end of 5 years? 


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