bzorc Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 I have a participant in a plan that, as a result of her employer moving her from one location to another (and then having to also move her parents, as she is their caretaker), is requesting a hardship withdrawal to "lease" (i.e, rent) a house in her new location. She has no other source of funds and the employer would like to grant this request. As the lease is for, technically, her principal residence, would you be inclined to grant the withdrawal? Thanks for any replies.
ratherbereading Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, bzorc said: I have a participant in a plan that, as a result of her employer moving her from one location to another (and then having to also move her parents, as she is their caretaker), is requesting a hardship withdrawal to "lease" (i.e, rent) a house in her new location. She has no other source of funds and the employer would like to grant this request. As the lease is for, technically, her principal residence, would you be inclined to grant the withdrawal? Thanks for any replies. I would say not, but we make the plan administrator/trustee make that decision. We advise that they should gather proof, but it's up to them to allow or not. And it depends on what type of hardships the document allows; fact and circumstances, safe harbor rules. 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
BG5150 Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 Based on the letter of the law, assuming the plan uses the safe harbor rules, I'd say no. She is not purchasing a principal residence. Nor are moving expenses listed. Does the employer not provide moving expenses? Bill Presson 1 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
bzorc Posted August 31, 2021 Author Posted August 31, 2021 No moving expenses covered. Plan only covers the IRS Safe Harbor reasons for hardships. I am telling the sponsor that this is not an allowable hardship withdrawal application. Thanks for your replies.
Bill Presson Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 Employer should find a way to help this employee outside the plan. John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA, ugueth and Lou S. 3 William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Jakyasar Posted September 1, 2021 Posted September 1, 2021 No loan option? No in-service option? Otherwise Bill's suggestion is a good one.
ratherbereading Posted September 1, 2021 Posted September 1, 2021 14 hours ago, Bill Presson said: Employer should find a way to help this employee outside the plan. Hmmm. Good luck with that! Employers do the least they can for employees nowadays. Not like back in the 70s/80s! 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
Peter Gulia Posted September 1, 2021 Posted September 1, 2021 If the worker can find or borrow enough money to pay the initial payment the landlord calls for, might she fail to pay rent until the landlord delivers an or-else eviction notice? Would that set up a recognized need for “[p]ayments necessary to prevent the eviction of the employee from the employee’s principal residence”? I do not recommend this. Rather, it illustrates one of the many absurdities in this bit of tax law. Bill Presson and Carike 2 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
BG5150 Posted September 1, 2021 Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Peter Gulia said: “[p]ayments necessary to prevent the eviction of the employee from the employee’s principal residence”? Hardships are for immediate and heavy financial need. The former does not apply. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
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