Bill Presson

Are they getting SHNE? If so, they have to get gateway also.

Yuck. Tell him to roll his own money to an IRA and make the investment and not taint the plan.

Holy crap, Batman.

And a pox on all the M&A attorneys that still don't bring in the TPA to get these things done timely.

Agreed. If the plan had last day requirements, I would argue the other way.

You have until 11/30/2024 to make the plan SHNE for 2024 with a 3% contribution. From 12/1/2024 until 12/31/2025, you can make the plan SHNE for 2024 with a 4% contribution.

The plan document will outline when a rehire re-enters the plan. That’s the cite.

I've always wondered why companies don't offer free or reduced 401(k) plans to people that buy the payroll services.

Well, yes, it gives HCEs more flexibility as well. I don't see that as a negative.

I've always preferred clients do an annual true up. If they are willing to do the match, what difference does it make when the participant does the deferral. Instead of maxing out early, maybe the participant is paying off some debt the first half of the year and then is able to defer. Why should the intent be to only benefit the ones maxing out early? There are a number of reasons why a participant might change their deferral amount once or twice during the year.

**edited because I was wrong***

@TPApril Don’t want the obvious to slip past, Ms April.

Any chance the investment is less than $50,000 and they could borrow the money to fund the investment personally?

And this is why we don't have the 3% SH go to HCEs...flexibility before they even think they need it.

Frankly, the solution is at the beginning of the process and not start until the new RK is ready.

Best of luck. Couple of suggestions: 1. Do you have any information on a servicing agent or office? Might be best to try them first and have them link you to the right person at the company home office. 2. If you have to call the home office blind, ask for the advanced planning or qualified plan department. They probably aren't the ones issuing 1099s, but someone there is more likely to understand your dilemma. They might be able to pull a string or two.

Based on your description, I agree with you. But how is the policy ownership listed? Was it set up correctly as the qualified plan?

No. You’re not doing component testing. The OEX group is whomever fits that eligibility stratum.

Forward all questions to the ERISA counsel used in 2021.

I’m just spitballing here, but I’m going to say it’s a no for all your various scenarios. None of them are new plans.

Cuse, that's probably allowed. Our administrative provisions and the basic plan document from our provider all refer to elections and we've done those in all situations.

And they would have had to make the election by 12/31/2023

Just give the participant an extra profit-sharing allocation . Who cares what it's called?

Short answer is (generally) no. Because after-tax contributions are almost always just written as personal checks. If they are withheld from payroll, my answer changes a bit, but I have 0 experience with any plan doing that. So, as I said above, the election (to make an after tax contribution, not necessarily to have anything withheld) has to be done no later than 12/31 and the deposit has to take place by 1/30 to be counted in the prior year 415 limits.

W4-P is for periodic payments. W4-R is for nonperiodic payments. And it's very difficult to not spell "periodic" as "idiotic" most of the time.